Posts by Touchofgrey

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The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity

by slimboyfat in

rowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?

as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.

that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.

Touchofgrey

@seabreeze

Of course it matters, you need to provide undeniable evidence that a miracle worker called jesus was a real person, because if he is a fictional character and the events that he is supposed to have performed including raising himself from the dead are fictional also ,their would be no trinity belief because its all make believe .

Or you know deep down that there is no verified evidence that the jesus character was nothing but a apocalyptic preacher who was killed by the Romans the end, and the rest is mythical.

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The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity

by slimboyfat in

rowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?

as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.

that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.

Touchofgrey

Seabreeze

It's for you to provide the undeniable evidence of a miracle worker called jesus, us atheist/ heretics cant provide evidence for a fictional character and events, its not our responsibility to provide it,

It's for you to provide, and you have failed to do so even though you have been asked to provide it many times,and please not the minimal facts argument.

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The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity

by slimboyfat in

rowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?

as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.

that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.

Touchofgrey

You would think that a all knowing god who supposedly inspired the bible would have defined himself clearly and in a unambiguous manner ,instead of in a confusing manner that has had and still having people debating if he is a single god with a created son or three persons in one where they are all equal..

Both versions can't be right but they can both be wrong.

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Are There any JW Teaching that you DO Agree With?

by NotFormer in

(apologies for the typo in the title.

"teaching" should read "teachings".

i misread vanderhoven7's most recent post as being the above.

Touchofgrey

That religions are a snare and a racket.

That is the only thing that jws got spot on.

Religion and its teachings are there to control manipulate and coerce people to believe in fictional characters and events and to take people's time and money.

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What the new JW light position really is 👍

by ElderBerry in

i’m still an elder and i consider myself jw light.

as my fellow elders are.

we don’t throw our weight around like elders used to in the past, it’s all very easy going these days.

Touchofgrey

Jw lite seems to be a modern day version of Pascal's wager, just in case they are right and also that they maybe they are wrong, so I will edge my bet.

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The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity

by slimboyfat in

rowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?

as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.

that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.

Touchofgrey

Halcon

No first cause ,a monk aquinas who used it to reason to point to the existence of a god.

Prof Brian cox was questioned about this when he was explaining what that the James Webb telescope was able to look back to about 300 million years after the inflation event and stars etc were starting to form, his reply to the question was "we don't know "" but they do have theories eg that theirs a multiverse, you can't disprove that theory, but you also can't admit that we just don't know, but experts in that field can admit that they don't know yet. So no evidence of a first cause.

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The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity

by slimboyfat in

rowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?

as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.

that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.

Touchofgrey

Halcon26 minutes ago

A inflation event some 13:9 billion years ago.

And what was responsible for that event?

Above my pay grade

Astrophysicist can provide a explanation for the inflation event.

Neil deGrasse Tyson

Professor Brian cox

Also Lawrence Krauss a theoretical physicist and cosmologist

Other physicists are available.

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The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity

by slimboyfat in

rowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?

as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.

that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.

Touchofgrey

A inflation event some 13:9 billion years ago.

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The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity

by slimboyfat in

rowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?

as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.

that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.

Touchofgrey

Love was not the fundamental thing that caused our solar system to come into existence, but rather the collapse of a star ,a supernova which led to the evolution of our solar system including the earth some 4.6 billion years ago, then the bombardment of the earth with asteroids bringing water etc to the earth and then the earth went under a violent time with volcanoes and earthquakes and the movement of the tectonic plates.

And even after that there has been 5 mass extinctions events the last one some 65 million years ago which wiped out the dinosaurs and almost all life forms.

But thankfully life forms did survive and led to the evolution and humans.

Love was not responsible for any of these things and neither was any of the 3 to 5 thousand major gods that were invented by humans ,not even the trinitys of god that existed before the Christian one evolved.

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Ebion

by peacefulpete in

early christianity was every bit, if not more, diverse than christianity today.

one of the very early sects was named the ebionites.

we have unfortunately nothing left of their own writings apart from a few quotes from what epiphanius believed was their recension of matthew.

Touchofgrey

Thanks peacefulpete

Always enjoy the reading your posts.

Phizzy, I used to get dragged along to the meetings in whitstable over 50 years ago.